Baptism of the Holy Spirit – Water Baptism

C: Comments and R: Response

1/11/14

 

C 1: In Mk 6:1-8, it seems that the water baptism John was giving, gave Jesus, was totally different than the baptism Jesus would give us after He died on the cross. Jesus’ baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, not a baptism of water. Doesn’t this completely change or add a new meaning onto what the word baptism means?
*John wore clothing made of camel's hair, with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. And this was his message: "After me will come one more powerful than I, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." Mk 6:1-8 NIV+

 

R 1: You are correct, Jesus’ baptism is with the Spirit. All the other gospel writers Matthew, Luke, John, as well as Peter agree that Jesus’ baptism is the giving of the Holy Spirit.

*I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Matt 3:11 ESV+

*John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Lk 3:16 NKJV+

*John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him." I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.' "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God."  Jn 1:32-34 NASB+

*And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Ac 11:16 ESV+ Note: Peter speaking

 

Jesus baptized no one with water, He only baptizes with the Holy Spirit.

*Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples), Jn 4:1-2 ESV+

 

Jesus could not give us the Spirit, the Spirit could not live in our hearts, until our Savior died on the cross as atonement for our sins. This allowed our sins to be forgiven, so our spiritual being, our soul and spirit, could become perfectly holy. So the Spirit could come into, and then live within our spiritual being. While our physical being, our mind and body will always be sinful.

*But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. Heb 10:12-14 NKJV+

*If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. Ro 8:10 NASB+

 

Without the Holy Spirit we cannot know Jesus. And if the Spirit does not live in our hearts, we do not belong to Jesus.

*Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. 1Co 12:3 NKJV+

*You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Ro 8:9 NIV+

 

C 2:  Are Baptism of the Spirit, and water baptism both needed for us to receive the indwelling of the Spirit?

 

R 2: Baptism of the Spirit and water baptism are two separate unique baptisms. Jesus first gave His baptism, the indwelling of the Spirit to 10 of His disciples (less Thomas and Judas) by breathing upon them, there was no water baptism involved. This is the same way Jesus breathed the Spirit into Adam; and the Holy Spirit then created a holy spiritual being in Adam to give him life. 

*And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Jn 20:22 NKJV+

*And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Gen 2:7 NKJV+

 

Baptism of the Spirit can happen before, during or after water baptism. They are 2 separate events.

 

Before water baptism

*"Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."  Ac 10:47 NIV+

 

During water baptism

*Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Ac 2:38 NIV+

 

After water baptism

*When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Ac 8:15-17 NIV+

 

We can receive baptism of the Spirit whenever we give up our will, and are willing to submit to our God.

*Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Ro 10:3 NIV+

 

The Spirit tries to bring us to our God wherever He is working.

*"The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." Jn 3:8 NASB+

 

When we hear the gospel about Jesus

*As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’  Ac 11:15-16 ESV+

 

When we ask our Father to give us the Spirit

*If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" Lk 11:13 NIV+

 

When we read the Word of God

*For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 1Pe 1:23 NIV+

 

During the laying on of hands of leaders and believers

*Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. Ac 8:17 ESV+

*And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." Ac 9:17 NKJV+

 

C 3: Shouldn’t we receive the water baptism John baptized Jesus with?

 

R 3: No, John baptized Jesus with an Old Covenant ceremonial washing. Israel had about 613 Old Covenant laws which Jesus had to obey. These ceremonial laws required one to do certain works to make one righteous, without doing the required ceremonial works one would sin, become unrighteous. Jesus would have to obey the ceremonially law which required one to be ceremonially washed before they could be consecrated to the Lord.

*"Then you shall bring Aaron and his sons to the doorway of the tent of meeting and wash them with water. Ex 29:4 NASB+

*"Make a bronze basin, with its bronze stand, for washing. Place it between the Tent of Meeting and the altar, and put water in it, Ex 30:18 ESV+

Note: Water was carried in a bowl or pitcher from the bronze basin to the doorway of Tent of Meeting to ceremonially wash Aaron and his sons. They were not immersed in the bronze basin. 

 

Jesus sought John out when He was 30 years old, the age He was required to be consecrated to His Father before He could begin His ministry. John at first thought Jesus was asking for his baptism of repentance, and was hesitant to baptize Jesus. Then Jesus made it clear He needed a ceremonial washing to fulfill His righteousness under the ceremonial laws. John understood and ceremonially washed, baptized Jesus.

*Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?" But Jesus answered and said to him, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he allowed Him. Matt 3:13-15 NKJV+

 

The important baptism of this day came after Jesus walked up out of the Jordan River, after His ceremonially washing by John. And as He was consecrated to His Father, was the first to be given the baptism of the Spirit. When the Spirit like a dove landed on Jesus, and entered into His heart. This is the same baptism of the Spirit which Jesus came on earth to give us, the same baptism which will make us children of God.

*After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." Matt 3:16-17 NASB+

*how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. Ac 10:38 ESV+

 

John’s baptism of repentance is no longer useful in the New Covenant of Christ’s grace. Paul had to re-baptized those who received this baptism alone. Yet notice they did not receive the Spirit until Paul laid his hands on them. Showing water baptism and baptism of the Spirit are 2 separate baptisms.

*It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. There were in all about twelve men. Ac 19:1-7 NASB+

 

C 4: Should we be water baptized since we are now in the New Covenant of Christ’s grace?

 

R 4: Yes, for though water baptism is not needed for us to be saved, Jesus asked us to be baptized as follows.

*Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matt 28:19 ESV+

 

The Jewish people were the first to be given the Spirit and water baptism, they will always be first to receive God’s blessings. Then Peter saw that our Father had given the Gentiles the indwelling of the Spirit also. And Peter, though he was a Jew, was not supposed to share His faith with the Gentiles, water baptized them and made them part of the Jewish group who at this time also believed in Jesus.

* For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Ro 1:16 ESV+

*"Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."  Ac 10:47 NIV+

 

Paul likewise water baptized a few, to bring them into the church as it began. Paul would then quit water baptizing new believers, for it was causing divisions among the church, and still is causing division today among congregations today. Paul probably had others water baptize those who had received the indwelling of the Spirit after he had preached the gospel, or laid his hands upon them. If no one was available with Paul to water baptize the new believers, they were probably sent to group of believers, who would later baptize them with water.

Paul would have continued water baptizing new believers immediately, if water baptism was required to save them. Paul knew receiving the Spirit into one’s heart was all that was needed to save them. Water baptism only symbolized a new believer had been changed, and brought into the family of God.

*Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Co 1:13-17 NIV+

 

It is very simple; water baptism merely shows physically what is spiritually happening within us. We can be water baptized in different ways to show how we spiritually have our sins forgiven, and the Holy Spirit comes into our hearts.

 

If water is sprinkled on one, it signifies how our Father is spiritually sprinkling away all of their sins so the Spirit can come into their hearts.

*I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.  And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. Eze 36:25-27 ESV+

 

If water is poured over us, it signifies how our Father is spiritually washing away our sins and then pouring the Spirit into our hearts.

*And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. Ac 10:45 ESV+

 

If one is immersed, it signifies how one sins are washed away, and by being given the Spirit they are spiritually united and buried with Christ into His atoning death.   

*Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. Ro 6:4 NASB+

 

C 5: Some say we need to be immersed, be physically baptized under water to be buried with Christ. So we can be physically resurrected with Him again, using Ro 6 as a reference for this.

 

R 5: This is incorrect, we cannot understand chapter 6 without using the context of Chapters 7 and 8 also. Please read chapter 8 it has all of the spiritual answers we need to be saved. Let’s begin with Ro 6:3.

 

*Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Ro 6:3 NIV+

 

Our flesh is corruptible, can never be united with our God, with Jesus, with the Holy Spirit. Nor can our body be made holy by being immersed with water, washed with water, or any other physical act. Our physical being cannot come into the Kingdom of God, be with Jesus, until it is glorified. Only our spiritual being can become holy, and we are baptized into the body of Christ by receiving the baptism of the Spirit, receiving the Spirit into our hearts.

*Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable [corruptible] inherit the imperishable [incorruptible]. 1Co 15:50 NASB+

*For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1Co 12:13 NASB+

 

Ro 6:4

*Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. Ro 6:4 NASB+

 

We have been buried with Christ, when we have been spiritually united with Him, when the Spirit lives in our spiritual being, our soul and spirit. And we let the Spirit guide us so we can walk in the newness of life.

*But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Ro 7:6 NKJV+

 

Ro Chap 8:9-11 explains what is spiritually happening to save our physical being, how we are raised with Christ in Ro Chap 6:3-4 when our physical being dies. We are not in the flesh, for our flesh will be always sinful, if the Spirit dwells within us. And if we do not have the Spirit dwelling in their hearts, we do not belong to Christ, are not united with Him. No matter what physically works we do with our body, on our body.  

*However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Ro 8:9 NASB+  

 

If the Spirit lives in our hearts, though our physical body is dead because of sin, yet our spirit being is alive, it is holy through the baptism of the Spirit. Who gives us righteousness, peace, and joy as He spiritually brings us into the Kingdom of God.  

*If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousnessRo 8:10 NASB+

*for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Ro 14:17 NASB+

 

And if the Spirit lives in our hearts, our Spiritual being, our soul and spirit, will be taken to Heaven when our physical being dies and goes into the grave, becomes dust. And just as our Father had the Spirit physically resurrect Jesus from the dead, He will have the Spirit likewise glorify and make our mortal bodies eternal like our Savior’s.

*But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Ro 8:11 NKJV+

 

Chap 6:23

*For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Ro 6:23 ESV+

 

Our God freely gives the Holy Spirit, pours the Spirit out on all people who will accept our God. We need no ceremonial washing which has always been a physical work. Though we will want to be baptized with water, for our Savior has asked us to do this.

*And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. Ac 10:45 ESV+

 

C 6: Only by our faith do we receive the Holy Spirit.

 

R 6: Not exactly true, for without the Spirit we cannot make Jesus our Lord. The baptism of the Spirit is a free gift from our Father, there is nothing we have to do but give up our human will, and be willing to submit to our Heavenly Father. And the Spirit will sanctify and guide us, make us children of God.

*Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. 1Co 12:3 NKJV+                                    

* And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. Ac 10:45 NKJV+

 

C 7: Only by faith in Jesus Christ are we saved.

R 7: 100% correct though more specifically, we are saved when we love our God above all things, and our neighbor as ourselves. For the love we have for our God measures how much faith we really have in Him. And our sins are forgiven when we fall short, by our great love and faith in our God.

*And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.” Lk 10:27-28 ESV+                                             

*And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 1Co 13:2 ESV                                                                                                                                  *So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1Co 13:13 ESV+        

 

C 8: Should infants receive water baptism?

 

Infants’ spiritual being, their soul and spirit, are created holy by the Spirit, they are kept holy by the Spirit if one parent is a believer.  Since infants are holy, the Spirit lives in their hearts, they are one with Jesus, children of God, part of the body of Christ, His one holy church.

If infants are members of Christ’s one holy church, why should they be kept from water baptism, aren’t they members of our local congregations as well? Congregations, their doctrines and rules should not be more exclusive than our Heavenly Father’s, which make us His children.

Note: I am talking spiritually, not about the business end of congregations, which might require one to be a specific age to participate.

*For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 1Co 7:14 ESV+

* Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Lk 18:15-16 ESV+

 

We must understand a spouse can only save their children, they cannot save their unbelieving spouse.

*How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? 1Co 7:16 NIV+

 

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